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Aaaaawww.... how cute
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spencer:using hyperbole to underscore you're point,
oh ya, spencer's the only one allowed to use that. c'mon squ'em (you newb), you knew that... oh and save me a dance [Emoticon not found]
Haha, spence, chillax bro, we always get off topic. We'll get back on again sooner or later.
Buzz:Haha, spence, chillax bro, we always get off topic. We'll get back on again sooner or later.
chillax. I like that. I'm sorry I've never heard that before. chillax. has a nice ring to it.
spencer:It means, newb, that I wrote it out, had a computer failure - which erased it - and I don't have time to write it out right now. I've reserved a spot by the post you made so I can reply, so there will be a response as close to your question as possible. When I'm ready, I'll EDIT the post, and write what I initially intended.
please try to relax. if you're going to get all personal and touchy as 'ell outside of using hyperbole to underscore you're point, then assume I have nothing to say anyway. I'll delete all my posts so you don't have to fall over yourselves and forget your senses of humor.
ok, that's understandable. I will patiently await for your response to what I personally think is a mere yes or no question, but perhaps you have more to elaborate. No need to delete your posts.
Chillax? You've never seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBXal1GAA4A
Scot-tay! Beam on down baby!
That was hilarious. [Emoticon not found]
spencer:gumby:[Emoticon not found] [Emoticon not found] [Emoticon not found] I was pure untell you said "bassbowls" [Emoticon not found] [Emoticon not found] [Emoticon not found]
Good post I agree its really hard to get anyhing pure or origional at this point in the gamee, but it never hurts to try.
who said anything about "bassbowl"
screenshot or it didn't happen.it never hurts to try?
try to do what?
why don't we just write out the "pure" techniques, steps, music, and venues, call ourselves ballroom swing and be done with it.I still can't grasp any sort of intellectually sound argument in behalf of "purism" that's not a change of attitude exclusively.
sorry.
So I havnt had time to post latly because of my new lame work hours and the internet having been locked down for repairs at work. Its a little late, but here it gos:
1. In regards to your first question about the "bassbowls" you said it and then edited it I cant help it if you didnt edit what you needed to quickly.
2. It never hurts to try anything dance related as linysnob said we have had some excellent teachers come from all over the U.S. and other parts of the world. Many of them if not all didnt start as Lindy hoppers and never would have found lindy if they had not tried something new. I know some of them have done belly dancing, balleet, and many other dances. I love the fact that Lindy is an evolving dance and Im not limited to six moves I need to perfect in oder to do well in a compitition.
3. "why don't we just write out the "pure" techniques, steps, music, and venues, call ourselves ballroom swing and be done with it." because IMHO Ive seen what ballroom dancers have done to their version of swing and I think they make it SUCK! If I want to learn steps Ill try some ballroom. I think a big difference is that in Lindy hop you learn a set of steps but ar not asked to do them perfectly as another person might. often you are taught steps and told make it yours.
Oh and please never ask me to be called a ballroom dancer they do some great stuff, but its not my style. Im a lindy hopper who would love to learn a little from all dances and bring the best parts back to the dance I love.
Scott
AMEN!!! T-Sub... Well put my friend.
dude. breathe.
i think the whole "chillax" thing was because it seems you're getting all worked up about people's opinions. it's not gospel. they're probably not going to change your opinion, and you're probably not going to change their opinions either. so say what you think, and don't take it as a personal attack if they disagree.
and if it makes you feel better, i disagree with a lot of the sentiments on this thread too. i also choose to ignore most of the nonsense that goes on on these forums for my own sanity (even though i contribute to a lot of it myself). [Emoticon not found]
I wish I could dance like they did at the savoy. [Emoticon not found]
I can T-Roach... I can..... how about you?? See you need to be a purist like me than you can dance like they did at the Savoy.. Pfft.. Cmon dude get with the program... geez!!
I'm trying, HC! I'M TRYING!! i think i can i think i can i think i can...
I can totally imagine you dancing like that Grant. [Emoticon not found]
Dude.. I think a lot of the lindy hoppers here dance with all heart like they did at the savoy.. Its all heart baby... maybe 60 years from now people will look back and say "man I wish I could dance like that Troach cat"
Hey I think I found a clip of those weak sauce lindy purists you keep raving about. [Emoticon not found] Pshaw, they can barely do a swing out without making me jump up and down, crying in sheer joy!
t_roach:I wish I could dance like they did at the savoy. [Emoticon not found]
UNCLEAN!!! UNCLEAN!!! That's not Lindy Hop!!!!!
t_roach:Hey I think I found a clip of those weak sauce lindy purists you keep raving about. [Emoticon not found] Pshaw, they can barely do a swing out without making me jump up and down, crying in sheer joy!
Impure!! Unclean!! I saw Hula in there, which is CLEARLY not Lindy Hop.
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Who is this guy? It's like we have a more hostile version of Apostle on our very own forum. This is hilarious! [Emoticon not found]
I know dude.. that's why I keep on with t epurist thing but that's getting old.. *sigh* on the brigther Side.. the countdown has begun only 15 Days left!!
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Who is this guy? It's like we have a more hostile version of Apostle on our very own forum. This is hilarious! [Emoticon not found][/quote]
[Emoticon not found] I knew there was something eerily familiar about all of this [img]http://elouai.com/images/yahoo/a20.gif[/img]
t_roach:Hey I think I found a clip of those weak sauce lindy purists you keep raving about. [Emoticon not found] Pshaw, they can barely do a swing out without making me jump up and down, crying in sheer joy!
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wow.
Question: How can anyone be a lindy purist? By definition, lindy is not a pure dance; it came about as a street dance, adapted from other forms of dance at the time and in response to the music. There's elements of all kinds of dance or music in any lindy song/ dance.
Also, not to start a fight or anything, but I've been hearing several people comment that the music is all starting to sound alike at the dances. I'm not saying I don't like those songs, or that we shouldn't play them, but maybe we could add a little more variety back in, despite the quest for lindy purism. Granted I was gone for a good portion of the dance last Saturday, so maybe that's already being taken care of.
Hope that didn't come across as mean or snobbish or anything. Love y'all and keep dancin'!
What kind of variety versus "lindy purism" are you looking for?
Yeah.... what you mean girl
Effervescence:Question: How can anyone be a lindy purist? By definition, lindy is not a pure dance; it came about as a street dance, adapted from other forms of dance at the time and in response to the music. There's elements of all kinds of dance or music in any lindy song/ dance.
One way to become a lindy purist (in a good way) is to take tap, ballroom, bellydancing, tango, and yoga classes, while taking tons of classes from Peter S, Caitlin Nina, Andy, Skye, Frida, Frankie, Norma, Sugar, Peter L, Jojo, etc... [Emoticon not found]
Imo, and in an overly simplified sense, lindy "purists" (in the positive sense) carry on the true spirit of Lindy Hop.
Lindy "purists" (in the negative sense) only do lindy hop and don't like people who do other dances. It all depends on what type of purism you're talking about.
t_roach:Imo, and in an overly simplified sense, lindy "purists" (in the positive sense) carry on the true spirit of Lindy Hop.
Lindy "purists" (in the negative sense) only do lindy hop and don't like people who do other dances. It all depends on what type of purism you're talking about.
I think you hit it right on the head Mr. T.... I think.
I guess I'm not sure what you mean by the true spirit of Lindy Hop? How would you describe the true spirit of Lindy Hop?
It's a purely objective thing... er I'll get back to you on that. [Emoticon not found]
t_roach:One way to become a lindy purist (in a good way) is to take tap, ballroom, bellydancing, tango, and yoga classes, while taking tons of classes from Peter S, Caitlin Nina, Andy, Skye, Frida, Frankie, Norma, Sugar, Peter L, Jojo, etc... [Emoticon not found]
Oops, I thought I mentioned Steven and Virginie. Oh and Giselle.
Yeah..... riiiiight..... then again its grant we are talking about
Re: one of spencer's posts...
My take on the whole "step-worshiping, we're not part of the Harlem Renaissance, we're own culture" thing...
I don't think that, as a whole, we are trying to be a part of the Harlem Renaissance. Yes, there are some people who are trying, but it's futile for the very reasons you point out. That was their culture, we live in our own culture. The people who do try to be a part of it eventually realize that it's not possible. Those people can become something great should they choose to. As a whole, we (the worldwide lindy hop community) are trying to keep the spirit of the Harlem Renaissance alive. We do imitate, we do try to learn the steps the best we can, but imitation and "step-worshiping" are not what you make them out to be.
Improvisation is nothing if you don't have something to build on. The better you know the steps, the better you can improvise. Does step-worshiping exist? Only if you refuse to improvise because it'd mess up the steps, which I don't think anyone on this forum has ever suggested or even imagined. Besides, I believe this thread was about the music, not the steps.
I completely disagree that imitation is hypocritical. Maybe it can be, but I don't think it's that common. Consider imitation in different aspects of life:
Child learning how to walk.
Child learning how to talk.
Child learning how to eat with a spoon.
An American, Mexican, Englishman, Frenchman, etc. learning how to eat with chopsticks.
Anyone learning how to ride a bike.
Anyone learning how to build a house.
For a gospel application, anyone learning about the gospel. People often rely on the testimonies of others before they learn to stand on their own two feet, just as a child will hold on to a parent's hand while he or she learns to walk. Leaning on someone else for help is not always a weakness. Just as it can be a weakness, it can also be a great strength when you recognize that you can't do everything all by yourself. A child may learn to walk without a parent's help, but if the parent is there and never helps, that child may take longer to learn, or may have self-esteem issues later in life, or whatever. Imitation and help from others benefits both parties, both can grow together.
Yeah, it sounds totally geeky to compare dancing to life, but it really is no different with the waltz, foxtrot, cha-cha, salsa, lindy hop, west coast swing, hip hop, or any other kind of dancing. It either starts with imitation or you create it yourself and other people imitate you because it's cool. But, even when you create something you are guaranteed to learn from those who imitate you, if you're willing to do so.
Yes, you can become so obsessed (knowingly or not) with imitating a certain person or a certain style that your own personal style is lost. But once a person that has imitated for so long breaks free from that imitation? Watch out. It starts with imitation and turns into your own. If it takes longer to turn it into something all your own, so what, as long as the person is trying.
Yes, you can be authentic and imitate at the same time. Authenticity is measured by your heart and your thoughts, not by the way you move and not by how others view you.
Yes, we are our own culture. A culture that we are constantly redefining. If it takes 193 pages of this thread to define what we are, I will enjoy every minute of it. I enjoy defining and redefining what we are. It's a part of our culture.
Well said.
Well said... but I think you let slip some telling information...
popthestack:A child may learn to walk without a parent's help, but if the parent is there and never helps, that child may take longer to learn, or may have self-esteem issues later in life, or whatever. Imitation and help from others benefits both parties, both can grow together.
Ah ha! Is this it Pop? Is that why you just can't fall in love? I can kind of understand, that would be a long way to fall!!
Ah ha! Is this it Pop? Is that why you just can't fall in love? I can kind of understand, that would be a long way to fall!!
Buzz
That is harsh and uncalled for. I know you were kidding but really. That's not a subject to tease anyone about.
Anyway, back to the MUSIC... I think the main point of this thread is supposed to be how different music effects the way one moves to it. [Emoticon not found]
Oh, and ELChuy, you don't have a "bounce". It's ok, I understand. hehehe. You're smooth like a cherry milkshake and that's all good with me.
Thing 1 and Thing 2:Ah ha! Is this it Pop? Is that why you just can't fall in love? I can kind of understand, that would be a long way to fall!!
Buzz
That is harsh and uncalled for. I know you were kidding but really. That's not a subject to tease anyone about.
teasing about being tall, or heartless?
Thing 1 and Thing 2:Anyway, back to the MUSIC... I think the main point of this thread is supposed to be how different music effects the way one moves to it. [Emoticon not found]
Actually, we're just talking about purism here. Music is in this thread.
Way to bring up the "Improvisation is nothing if you don't have something to build on" topic in the way you did. I forgot that I often tell that to people in my swing classes, esp. in relation to jazz steps.
Buzz:Well said... but I think you let slip some telling information...
popthestack:A child may learn to walk without a parent's help, but if the parent is there and never helps, that child may take longer to learn, or may have self-esteem issues later in life, or whatever. Imitation and help from others benefits both parties, both can grow together.
Ah ha! Is this it Pop? Is that why you just can't fall in love? I can kind of understand, that would be a long way to fall!!
rofl! To give myself comfort on lonely nights I install Windows on my enemy's computers. You can hear their screams miles away.
You're just bitter because I won't blues dance with you. Get over it!
t_roach:Thing 1 and Thing 2:Anyway, back to the MUSIC... I think the main point of this thread is supposed to be how different music effects the way one moves to it. [Emoticon not found]
Actually, we're just talking about purism here. Music is in this thread.
Way to bring up the "Improvisation is nothing if you don't have something to build on" topic in the way you did. I forgot that I often tell that to people in my swing classes, esp. in relation to jazz steps.
Whoops, my bad. I thought we were talking about music in this thread for some reason. Well, the conversation DID start because of music, but yeah... this was split for a reason. So, uh... create your own purist legacy. But if you're gonna create a westy legacy at the BYU swing club, please dance outside.
popthestack:So, uh... create your own purist legacy. But if you're gonna create a westy legacy at the BYU swing club, please dance outside.
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No no no.. You're all wrong... come dancing on saturday at BYU though
I thought Hot Chocolate was short for "The savoy sultan is always wrong."
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Yeah, but I bet well see pops if HC's spinning old school tunes.
I almost went.
Heavy or light on the 'almost'?
I probably would have gone if I hadn't already driven to Provo once on Saturday to go fishing (fly fishing on the Provo). I had people with me so I couldn't have just taken them with me.