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Last night we were talking about some moves and different things at the swing house and I asked for some help on a move. I felt I was rushing the move and I was. I have an issue with trying to put everything into an 8 count. We ended up making it into a 10 count move and it works much better that way. My question is how often do you use moves or movements that are not 8 or 6 counts in a dance. It is something I think I will work on during ULX.
scott
Combining movements flexibly helps me to not be constrained to any number of counts. The partnership between the follow, the music and me then determines how many counts the series of movements will last.
yes thats great but how often do you use movments in that way. Do you try to dance the whole song every song not counting the 8 counts? More of a just feel it dont count it thing. I still find myself counting often. At least you cant see my mouth moving any more [Emoticon not found]
Feel it, don't count it. It takes a while to get used to that though. I counted consciously in my head for a long time. Now I mostly do the scat stuff (random noises instead of counts).
That's actually one thing that stuck out to me in Falty's Jazz class at Rhythmic Arts. He didn't count anything, but scatted it all. He said he dances to voices in his head-the scatting. After thinking about that, that's pretty much what I do. Making it more conscious that I'm dancing to a voice in my head is pretty cool, it gives me more energy. Note that the scatting != counting.
I think the last time I counted an 8 count was when I was teaching.
I used to count when I danced, but that was a while ago. If I do anything, it's the scatting that PTS was talking about. It helps a lot more with rhythm and doesn't limit you to only 8 count moves.
I notice troach scats everything. Ive been trying to switch over to it the last month or so and I can really feel a difference. It still seems like I need to count out new moves, but scatting the stuff I know well is easy enough.
My prob is when the scatting is more complex than what my feet can handle!
I wondered if it's bad that when sometimes I start scatting out loud while dancing with someone (I think it's rare enough though). [Emoticon not found]
Listen to Oscar Peterson or Slam Stewart to get some more ideas of how to combine scatting with dancing (or in their case, scatting with piano and base respectively); they match their scatting perfectly.
Also it'll help start the movements on counts other than one. Remember, it's a jazz dance -- improvisation is key. Adapt to the changes in the music. Dance to the bass for while, then the drums, then the sax, then Ella, then .... Speaking of, listening to Ella scat helps me with my phrasing, but that's another topic [Emoticon not found]
I echo the scatting being awesome... and do it more and more in my dancing. I would always do it in my head, but wasn't always following through on what was going on in my head with my feet and my body. As I have changed that, I think my musicality and improvisation have gotten a lot better.... and listening to the music allows you to be improvisational and creative and still fit with the musical phrasing- without having to count the 8 or 6 count patterns...
the cool kids swing out in 7. ask dax.
I've had some fun with six, haven't done much with seven. Might be fun to try to hunt down something written in seven that still has a danceable beat.
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Wow, let's see if I can get it to work.
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how'd you do that? maybe i need a private lesson...
I'm stickin' to the 6 and 8 count swing outs.
10 or 12 are fun sometimes. especially in blues when you don't need to get there anytime soon anyway...
You guys need to start playing "Take Five" and other such time signatures to test the mettle of the regular dancers.
Me I always use 8.6 count swingouts. The additional 6 counts into the 11th measures of the music always make for great musicality.
i've danced to "take 5" with a couple of our follows. it was an interesting exercise, but i spent so much time trying to stay on beat that i didn't get much musicality in.
but i say give it to 'em. see how long it takes people to figure out why they can't keep rhythm [Emoticon not found]
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