Ya, broad topic, I know. But I really just want to discuss New York Doll. I first heard about it from some "actor" friends in my ward in LA. They said no "LDS" film compares with New York Doll, etc... Does it live up to that hype? I haven't seen it yet, but continue to hear great things about it. I'm really SURPRISED to see it for sale at Deseret Book. Combining two of my fave topics -- music history & the influence of the Book of Mormon -- I'm stoked to see this film.

Have you seen it?

A ROCK STAR FINDS HOPE IN THE

MORMON CHURCH

You'll never forget the inspiring true story of Arthur "Killer" Kane, former bassist of the revolutionary rock band the New York Dolls. This Official Sundance Selection explores Arthur's improbable transformation from jaded rock star to humble LDS service missionary. When the opportunity arises for Arthur to relive his glory days in a star-studded reunion concert, his elderly friends in the genealogy department become his new groupies.

As Arthur seeks to reclaim the good things from his past while leaving the bad behind, you'll see stirring evidence that a loving God hears and answers our sincere prayers. Share with your family and neighbors the uplifting journey of a world-weary musician who receives a second chance.

PRAISE FOR "NEW YORK DOLL"

"A soft-spoken, damaged soul who has found refuge and hope in the Mormon Church."

- Stephen Holden, The New York Times

"A respectful and subtle look at the difference faith can make in one's life."

- Chris Vognar, Dallas Morning News

New York Doll really doesn't feel like it was made as a commercial for Mormonism - although it could certainly serve as one."

- Kurt Loder, MTV

"As journeys go, this is one to treasure." - Kenneth Turan, The Los Angeles Times

"A charmer." - Dennis Harvey, Variety

"A revelation." - Roger Moore, Orlando Sentinel

"[`New York Doll'] turns Arthur Kane's largely heartbreaking rock and roll life into a small, unassuming monument to the power of friendship and the wonders of the spirit."

- Kurt Loder, MTV

"One of those stories so incredible that even the most creative Hollywood screenwriters couldn't have come up with it." - Jeff Vice, Deseret News

I listened to some very intriguing interviews of the cast & producers of Saints & Soldiers on NPR when it first came out. It sounded like it explored very deep spiritual issues. I haven't really had a chance to watch it, and surprisingly nor has anyone I've talked with.

I meant by the fact that I missed it at IC, that I haven't seen NYD at all.

However I saw Saints and Soldiers at a preview showing in the Varsity Theater where the producer spoke. He talked about how they just won the American Heartland Family Film Festival when the MPAA came down saying the movie was rated R. Apparently it wasn't okay for them to really show the deaths of German soldiers after we've been told they're human too.

You can make hack and slash movies like Lord of the Rings where you demonize the enemy and get a PG-13 rating, but make the enemy human and you can't kill them so lightly anymore. Not exactly a healthy attitude to push in a world where we have month long riots over religous or racially charged editorial cartoons, and the political climate draws hard lines between us and them.

They had to re-edit the movie and let the German soldiers die in long shots rather than close ups so they could get a PG-13 and LDS would watch it. The producer was shocked that he could make a movie he wouldn't watch himself.

As far as being an LDS movie, they never say anything to that effect. Sure the religious character was a missionary in Germany before the war, but they never say anything else that would imply he's LDS.

That's one of the safer ways to produce an LDS movie that will be seen outside of Utah. In some ways I agree that such an approach protects sacred things from being mocked. It also can protect you from being overly preachy. Good missionary work is little more explicit and direct though. It just depends on timing, and a movie can't baptize anybody. That takes people, so I have mixed feelings on removing positive movies too far from the church.

popthestack:

SpecialK:

It just depends on timing, and a movie can't baptize anybody. That takes people...

don't think you intended to, but you left out the spirit. [Emoticon not found]

Er... People can't convert anyone. That takes the spirit. The spirit can't baptize anybody. That takes people. Yes/No? [Emoticon not found] Thankful for temple work.

T_roach:

Er... People can't convert anyone. That takes the spirit. The spirit can't baptize anybody. That takes people. Yes/No? [Emoticon not found] Thankful for temple work.

Double er... People can't convert anyone. That takes the spirit. The spirit can't baptize anybody. That takes people with proper authority!. Better?

T_roach:

T_roach:

Er... People can't convert anyone. That takes the spirit. The spirit can't baptize anybody. That takes people. Yes/No? [Emoticon not found] Thankful for temple work.

Double er... People can't convert anyone. That takes the spirit. The spirit can't baptize anybody. That takes people with proper authority!. Better?

that's better.

SpecialK:

T_roach:

Double er... People can't convert anyone. That takes the spirit. The spirit can't baptize anybody. That takes people with proper authority!. Better?

Thanks for correcting my horrendous omission. If it weren't for you guys I just know I would spout false doctrine and turn more people away from the church than an awful movie pertaining to old men playing basketball.

Oh, and Adam was baptized by the spirit. Look it up.

so, do you really think that's literal? I honestly don't know, I'm only asking for the fun of asking. [Emoticon not found]

Hm... it's possible that the spirit could do it, but that would be an exception, since Adam was the first man. Or it's possible that something else happened, who knows? But as a general rule, heavenly beings don't do things that we can do ourselves.

SpecialK:

I was just being contrary.

[Emoticon not found]

JS Jr. and Oliver Cowdery baptized each other. Alma baptized himself while baptizing someone else. Adam could have done that to Eve if that was the way he was directed to do it. I don't have any problem with it being litteral either.

I'm thinking of these as great examples of when priesthood was restored after apostasy. *nodding* I'm liking this.

Buzz:

I've seen it and I thought that it was a great movie. If you want to borrow it sometime, talk with me.

I want to borrow it.

sqemily:

I want to borrow it.

We should have a screening sometime [Emoticon not found]

Ooh ooh! Me too me too! I wanna see it!

We can watch it on Grant's projector!!!! [Emoticon not found]

That is correct... everyone baptized before April 6, 1830 was rebaptized (this time as entrance into the restored church)....

Sweet, we can set up movie times for Best Two Years and Saints and Soldiers after the move into the house

Buzz:

Sweet, we can set up movie times for Best Two Years and Saints and Soldiers after the move into the house

What about New York Doll?

Just listened to a New York Doll rebroadcast of a special on KUER.

Thursday, March 30: New York Doll

Doug Fabrizio

SALT LAKE CITY, UT (2006-03-29) Thirty years after the glam-rock band The New York Dolls had flamed out and broken up, film maker Greg Whitely found bassist Arthur "Killer" Kane in the Mormon Church's Family History Library in Los Angeles. He had quit drugs and found God but he had this beautiful dream to get the band back together. RadioWest looks at the making of the film and the remarkable influence of the New York Dolls. (Repeat)

* New York Doll will be released on DVD next week, and for your $100 pledge, KUER will send you a copy of this moving film.

I'm officially EVEN MORE stoked than before about this film. A) For the pop music history, [Emoticon not found] for the store of Arthur Kane. This broadcast had a great panel discussion and great anecdotes from the director. Plus a sound clip of the lead singer for the Dolls doing "Come, Come Ye Saints" w/ an acoustic guitarist. Great rendition.