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-Over apologetic follows.
-When the follows don't look at you. Do I have a booger in my nose or something?
-West Coast Swing [Emoticon not found]
That's all for now.
Hrmmm... don't really have many... I think my main one is when the follow can't seem to hear the beat and expects me to lead everything without her paying attention or knowing how to dance to the music. I guess an extension of that is follows who don't know how to follow a six-count pattern...
mirror watchers
and, by extension: leads who are dancing with themselves (i.e. not paying attention to their follow at all), or are already deciding who they want to dance with next (rubber neck syndrome)
How can you decide who to dance with next if you don't know what the song will be?
I do have a bad habit of seeing something a little crazy or cool and watching that couple instead of worrying about my own dancing. Usually I'll have the courtesy to point my partner that direction so they can see the show too. Am I really that bad of a person? Will you forgive me?
Yes. And no.
traci:mirror watchers
and, by extension: leads who are dancing with themselves (i.e. not paying attention to their follow at all), or are already deciding who they want to dance with next (rubber neck syndrome)
Sometimes it is necessary for a lead to look over his shoulders so he doesn't swing you into a wall or other people
follows who seem to have this spring that makes them come right in as soon as they're sent out whether or not I lead them in or not. especially frustrating when i send them out and they get out there on say, 7. for goodness sakes wait till i lead you on 1 or 2 (or whenver it is that i lead you)!
Creepy guys
Partners that won't look at you or smile.
Creepy guys
Did I mention creepy guys?
Define creepy.
Dictionary.com:
creep·y ( P ) Pronunciation Key (krp)
adj. Informal creep·i·er, creep·i·est
Of or producing a sensation of uneasiness or fear, as of things crawling on one's skin: a creepy feeling; a creepy story.
Annoyingly unpleasant; repulsive: the creepy kids next door.
My personal defintion:
When a guy that I'm not interested in is invading my space and is so clueless that he doesn't back off.
popthestack:follows who seem to have this spring that makes them come right in as soon as they're sent out whether or not I lead them in or not.
yes. that's a big one.
the 'anti-guys-dancing-together police' irritate me too.
I never cut in on two guys dancing together.
bobthecow:the 'anti-guys-dancing-together police' irritate me too.
I have to x2 on that
geek4life:bobthecow:the 'anti-guys-dancing-together police' irritate me too.
I have to x2 on that
word word.
but no pelvis thrusting.
The springy follows are also on my list, though I haven't had a real run in with the anti two guys police yet...
geek4life:but no pelvis thrusting.
amen to that!
geek4life:traci:mirror watchers
and, by extension: leads who are dancing with themselves (i.e. not paying attention to their follow at all), or are already deciding who they want to dance with next (rubber neck syndrome)
Sometimes it is necessary for a lead to look over his shoulders so he doesn't swing you into a wall or other people
there is a difference between having good floorcraft (protecting you and your follow from errant charleston steps) and checking out other girls on the dancefloor. and your follow will definately able to tell which of the two you are doing. [Emoticon not found]
Girls that don't follow at all.
Girls that only follow (aka do SOMETHING original. I'm not creative enough to dance the whole song for both of us)
Amen to the already mentioned anti-guys-dancing-with-guys police
Girls that won't ask a guy to dance.
- Chicks who think they can "follow any good lead" so they don't take lessons
- Chicks who stop taking lessons but still need them
- Chicks who take large steps that I didn't lead
- Chicks who don't wait for the lead
- Chicks who come in on the wrong foot or have otherwise icky footwork
- Chicks who push on me during non-compression moves
- Chicks who put their left hand up on my arm/shoulder in closed position
- Chicks who can't bring their body to face mine
- Chicks who pull or push really hard
- Chicks who try to cut in on a guy/guy dance when both guys can follow 500 times better than the chick
- "I don't know that move"
- Chicks who say the above when I lead a basic--don't ask me to dance with you for a dance you don't know, dang(edited)it!
That's a start... ooooh, that feels kind of good to complain like that.
california:- Chicks who put their left hand up on my arm/shoulder in closed position
why is this bad? i've always done this (and been taught to do this). just curious.
Do you prefer her hand around your waist?
traci:california:- Chicks who put their left hand up on my arm/shoulder in closed position
why is this bad? i've always done this (and been taught to do this). just curious.
I do this too. why is it bad?
It's bad because you're assertively removing connection. Your left elbow should ideally be pulled back (some people bring it behind their body) in closed to maximized the connection. Lopping your whole arm over top of the guy is an absolute connection violation.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that every follow should pull the elbow all the way behind the body, but for goodness sake, at least keep it free from the guy. The most I want a woman touching me with her left hand (while in closed) is maybe lightly making contact on my forearm, elbow, or behind my elbow--possibly further up if she is taller than I am or has wookie arms.
The much greater problem is that most women who bring the hand up high push slightly against the bicept or shoulder (or sometimes reach behind and pull a little). So now they're not only sorely depriving me of connection, but they're also stripping my ability to lead. That's the really uncool thing that bugs the snot out of me. We ain't doing ballroom here, people...
[Emoticon not found] I think I need a visual aid. If you're talking about follows pulling down hard on the lead's right shoulder, then I agree -- makes my arm ache just thinking about it.
i think he means draping the entire arm over the lead's arm/back/shoulder, and if i'm interpreting that right, a lot of follows (including myself) do that. i've never heard not to do that, nor can i remember ever really being taught a specific place to put my left hand. i always thought that the follow's left hand/arm didn't serve as much of a connection point (other than it touching the lead, of course).
I hadn't heard about that either.. I don't like it when girls yank down on my shoulder because of the already mentioned strain on the body part in question, however I have never heard that girls should avoid putting their left hand on my arm/shoulder/whatever at all...
Once a lead feels what it's supposed to feel like, he'll probably realize my pet peeve too. For all those who didn't know before that that's how you're supposed to do it, you know about it now.
It's funny when I teach that in class and all the guys are like, "oh man, that feels so much better". So seriously, ladies, don't aim for his upper arm with your left hand. If you need further explanation, ask me in person; I'll be happy to fix it (seeing as how it's a pet peeve of mine).
Any other questions about my pet peeves or are the other ones obvious enough?
Btw who are you cali man?
Actually, I'm a California man, not a "cali man". You don't know who I am? Shhhhhhh... nobody tell her.
The avatar gave it away for me. [Emoticon not found]
I have to agree with Ashley about creepy guys. When I dance with them, I am always on my gaurd for I am in constant fear of being violated - in a sense. I also don't like it when a guy has been dancing for quite some time and still does nothing but take the girl in a circle. I get dizzy (which for those of you who like to do crank turns with me know that is hard to do) and it gives me no room to play (not that I'm that good at it).
PS Thanks for the tip "California Man."
hmm, I have the tendency to spin a follow 15 times in a roll to test the floor. Maybe I should stop doing that. [Emoticon not found]
No. Cal all the way! Represent!!
Yeah, the avatar is pretty obvious for a guy who used to be a ballroomer.
Hey now... don't be throwing out fighting words (the "ballroomer" stuff--not the Northern CA stuff).
Oooo, there's another pet peeve... people who can't tell the difference between West Coast Swing and ballroom (or who mistake the two as being somehow related).
I certainly did not intend any ballroom insinuations by my previous post [Emoticon not found]
Of course you didn't, G... you lived in down in the good state for a while. I already know you know better. [Emoticon not found]
Heres my other pet peeve:
-Newbie: "I don't know how to dance"
[Emoticon not found]
T_roach:[Emoticon not found] I think I need a visual aid. If you're talking about follows pulling down hard on the lead's right shoulder, then I agree -- makes my arm ache just thinking about it.
I'm thinking I need a visual aid too. Can't think of any other place to put the arm in closed position then on the guys shoulder. Maybe the girls just need to learn to be lighter follows. (Do I do this T_roach?)
california:Hey now... don't be throwing out fighting words (the "ballroomer" stuff--not the Northern CA stuff).
Oooo, there's another pet peeve... people who can't tell the difference between West Coast Swing and ballroom (or who mistake the two as being somehow related).
It's not hard to spot a westie
-30 to 50 age range
-fruity shiny shirt
-2" heel dance shoes
-Oversized pants
-dance with hot women in sexy dress
sqemily:T_roach:makes my arm ache just thinking about it.
(Do I do this T_roach?)
Don't worry, you're like a feather, Squeemily. [Emoticon not found]
geek4life:It's not hard to spot a westie
-30 to 50 age range
-fruity shiny shirt
-2" heel dance shoes
-Oversized pants
-dance with hot women in sexy dress
lol... I think you mean 30 to 80 age range. Otherwise, that's about right.
definitely need a visual aid for the arm thing. we already know from past experience that (name edited) and I can't understand each other online so I won't even bother taking this any further. [Emoticon not found]
Yeah, just pull me aside next time we're in the same place. I delight in spreading the gospel of dance connection. [Emoticon not found]
california:- Chicks who think they can "follow any good lead" so they don't take lessons
no kidding. I see more guys turn out for the beginner and master's lessons than the girls.
I feel inclined to mention that my hope for all dancing pet peeve threads is to educate, not to make people feel bad.
we all complain, we all learn, we all have more fun... repeat.
geek4life:california:- Chicks who think they can "follow any good lead" so they don't take lessons
no kidding. I see more guys turn out for the beginner and master's lessons than the girls.
seems like jeremy's class always has as many guys learning to follow as girls learning to follow.
bobthecow:seems like jeremy's class always as many guys learning to follow as girls learning to follow.
No joke... I'd like to think it's not just my class that's always got an estrogen shortage though...
well, this is not a dance pet peeve but I still get this a lot
People: "Have you killed anyone mr. militaryman?"
Me: "Yeah in about 5 seconds"
geek4life:well, this is not a dance pet peeve but I still get this a lot
People: "Have you killed anyone mr. militaryman?"
Me: "Yeah in about 5 seconds"
[Emoticon not found]